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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 27, 2022 9:03 pm

Lordo wrote:You talk about western media as if it is honest and independent of the news. It is laughable. The whole lot are under the control of just a few corporations. if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, it fuckin is shit.


That's really not true and, apart from something from some crackpot conspiracy theory site, (where of course it originates from and belongs) is impossible to substantiate in any sensible way.

I try to spread my net fairly wide and attempt to balance things before making any judgement. What I don't do is incorporate anything from Russian state media. Which is, by it's very nature, the voice of Vladimir Putin (or else!). That and "independent" sites, which, if you have a look at them are usually populated entirely by people with views as objective as GR's. :eyecrazy:

You're clearly not at all like that.

You are obsessively anti-west. Consistently/fanatically/remorselessly/tediously so. You seem to turn absolutely every thread into some sort of anti-west diatribe. There really isn't a fag paper's difference in that respect between yourself and GR. I can't understand why you aren't bosom buddies. Despite the invasion/occupation thing.

Milti's pretty coarse and blunt in his views but to a certain extent I understand them. I really can't comprehend why you don't realise your assets (3 houses?? I've only ever owned 2 in my entire life) give the money to the poor and needy that you so often champion and move to somewhere far more politically agreeable to you. North Korea/China seems to fit nicely. That, rather than suffer the indignity of living in this appalling western society with it's overbearing restrictions upon your freedom whilst spending a good deal of your day on a tiny forum slagging it off.

I guess that's really fucked up my Zivania then. Ohh well. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 27, 2022 9:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:Putting nukes aside, I reckon the Russian forces could capture the UK in like 2-3 weeks!

Imagine the Spetsnaz dragging Boris by the scruff to a tribunal… with his laughable 27% approval rate, even the British public would be applauding! :lol:

Give us a break GR, we are down to 80,000 troops and an aircraft carrier without any aircrafts. But we do have the Queen's cruise ship. We can park that in front of the Russians. Maybe they will not attack us on account that she is related to the Tsar. Or is the Tsar still out of favour?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 27, 2022 9:10 pm

Londonrake wrote:Milti's pretty coarse and blunt in his views but to a certain extent I understand them. I really can't comprehend why you don't realise your assets (3 houses?? I've only ever owned 2 in my entire life) give the money to the poor and needy that you so often champion and move to somewhere far more politically agreeable to you. North Korea/China seems to fit nicely. That, rather than suffer the indignity of living in this appalling western society with it's overbearing restrictions upon your freedom whilst spending a good deal of your day on a tiny forum slagging it off.

And therein lies your moral problem… you confuse finances with righteousness!

Just because the West may offer *some* people an OK middle class lifestyle doesn’t make them right or worthy of anyone’s support.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 27, 2022 9:16 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Putting nukes aside, I reckon the Russian forces could capture the UK in like 2-3 weeks!

Imagine the Spetsnaz dragging Boris by the scruff to a tribunal… with his laughable 27% approval rate, even the British public would be applauding! :lol:

Give us a break GR, we are down to 80,000 troops and an aircraft carrier without any aircrafts. But we do have the Queen's cruise ship. We can park that in front of the Russians. Maybe they will not attack us on account that she is related to the Tsar. Or is the Tsar still out of favour?

Boris at my imaginary tribunal... :)

Boris: “And what are the charges?”

Russian Prosecutor: “You’re fat, unkempt and an absolute nincompoop!”

Russian Judge: “So how do you plead?”

Boris: “Sniff… guilty!”

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 27, 2022 9:23 pm

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Londonrake wrote: :lol: Sorry. That's total BS.

Day 93.

And the Russian army is "the best in the world"? Russia a "superpower"? I don't think so. :wink:

But why are you in such a hurry?

By comparison, didn’t I already mention that it took the British forces 1.5 months to liberate a rock off the coast of Argentina that is about the size of 5 football fields, and in the process lost half their navy? :lol:


Ahhh - a Lordo-ism. :lol:

The Falklands were 8000 miles away from the UK. That, across the full length of the Atlantic by ship. They are about 5000 square miles in size. Not "5 football fields". :roll:

Ukraine is literally just next door to that great superpower Russia. You could roll a tank across it in a few days (although, that didn't work out for them of course).


1.5 months is 6 weeks. 8000 miles away. The Russian "Special military operation" is now in it's 4th month and ongoing, with considerably reduced objectives and (unacknowledged of course) eye watering losses of manpower and materials.

The RN lost 5 ships in the war. Not "half the navy".

Argentina was subsequently rid of a fascist, military dictatorship which had murdered 30,000 of it's own people. The "disappeared". Well, people much like you actually. :wink:

You really need to do a bit of research on these things GR.

Heaven forbid! :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 27, 2022 9:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:Putting nukes aside, I reckon the Russian forces could capture the UK in like 2-3 weeks!

Imagine the Spetsnaz dragging Boris by the scruff to a tribunal… with his laughable 27% approval rate, even the British public would be applauding! :lol:


What you "reckon" has little bearing on any realities. That's been a consistent theme of a lot of your posts.

There you go again - with the "nuke" thing. You must try to repress it. It makes you sound like a raving lunatic. :wink:

Russia has been losing blood and treasure for 93 days trying to subjugate Ukraine. Putin is "all in" or else of course now, so doesn't care about loses.

I think you said a similar thing about Zelensky, in the early days when you were talking about a rapid Russian victory, being dragged out by the Spetsnaz. How did that work out?

Having said that - I have no particular objection to Boris suffering such a fate.

Lordo - please try to refrain from all that sycophantic back patting. For a man of your intellect it comes across as a bit demeaning. There are plenty of views out there.

Didn't you tell GR "That's a promise, not a threat"? :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 27, 2022 9:35 pm

Well, you can relax guys.

Duty calls.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 27, 2022 9:47 pm

Londonrake wrote:Lordo - please try to refrain from all that sycophantic back patting. For a man of your intellect it comes across as a bit demeaning. There are plenty of views out there.

Didn't you tell GR "That's a promise, not a threat"? :?

You should drop all these sycophant accusations of other members for they’re nothing but personal attacks, and just stick to the politics.

Understand that the West’s lack of a moral compass is not to everyone’s taste.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 27, 2022 10:01 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:You talk about western media as if it is honest and independent of the news. It is laughable. The whole lot are under the control of just a few corporations. if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, it fuckin is shit.


That's really not true and, apart from something from some crackpot conspiracy theory site, (where of course it originates from and belongs) is impossible to substantiate in any sensible way.

I try to spread my net fairly wide and attempt to balance things before making any judgement. What I don't do is incorporate anything from Russian state media. Which is, by it's very nature, the voice of Vladimir Putin (or else!). That and "independent" sites, which, if you have a look at them are usually populated entirely by people with views as objective as GR's. :eyecrazy:

You're clearly not at all like that.

You are obsessively anti-west. Consistently/fanatically/remorselessly/tediously so. You seem to turn absolutely every thread into some sort of anti-west diatribe. There really isn't a fag paper's difference in that respect between yourself and GR. I can't understand why you aren't bosom buddies. Despite the invasion/occupation thing.

Milti's pretty coarse and blunt in his views but to a certain extent I understand them. I really can't comprehend why you don't realise your assets (3 houses?? I've only ever owned 2 in my entire life) give the money to the poor and needy that you so often champion and move to somewhere far more politically agreeable to you. North Korea/China seems to fit nicely. That, rather than suffer the indignity of living in this appalling western society with it's overbearing restrictions upon your freedom whilst spending a good deal of your day on a tiny forum slagging it off.

I guess that's really fucked up my Zivania then. Ohh well. :lol:

I am afraid you did that some time ago. But I hold no grudges especially for those who have learning difficulties.

Your problem is that you are what I call a Sun reader. You may never read the Sun but you do fall into that category. You are very right wing without actually understanding real politics. If you cannot see that Western media is controlled by just a few corporations to ram down the workers throats the very policies which are against their own interests, I am afraid you may never understand anything about life in the west.

But listen even an old dog can learn new tricks right. So never lose hope. I used to be just like you when I was about 17 years old, and just a chat with two people and walla there was light. But you have to listen to what is being said.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 27, 2022 11:10 pm

LR I am rather surprised at your discomfort about the criticism I make towards the west in general and media specifically. In my experience only fascists take exception when their government is criticised.
Someone like Erdogan for instance.

In the west we do have democracy and we are allowed to critisise a government that walks all over our own human rights as well as the refugees' human rights.

After all is that not one of the reasons for Brexit. They wanted to remove the EU Human Rights act from our statute book.

Thankfully Bs'tard popularity has dropped rocked bottom. 59% of the public want him to resign. Can you actually believe what this man says.

He felt it was important to attend drinks to send off his workers that were leaving their job but the public could not attend a funeral of a loved one.

But you do have the right to like such a cunt all you like. There is no law against that.
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